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Paula-C
#1 Posted : Saturday, November 24, 2012 6:19:51 PM Quote
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Well D Day arrived......

I had a phone call the evening before from the nurse to say what time she would come (didn't ring until 8.30pm I thought she'd forgotten about me). She said she would arrive at 10.30 and I was to take the drug out of the fridge at 10.15. I asked how long she would stay afterwards and she said the protocol was 30 minutes but she realised that I was anxious and her next appointment wasn't until noon she would stay until 11.45.

I got everything ready for her, sat there and waited and waited. She was late! I said to my husband that it was like waiting to be hung.....he told me to have a drink (alcohol) because that's what they use to do before someone got hung. Didn't think that was a good idea swaying and smelling of booze when she arrived.

She finally arrived at 11am apologising for being late. We sat down and she started to ask me questions. Did I feel well? Had I been told of the possible side effects? Replied telling her that I had read about everything I could lay my hands on about the drug and reeled off the most common ones. She then asked for the letter that was in my pack when it arrived FAO of the nurse...........what letter! I hadn't seen one. Panic stations, it was the prescription with the dose on it. She couldn't let me inject without checking I had been sent the right dose. I gave her what paper work I had, she said it would of been in the plastic bag with the drug. I am positive that there was no paper work in, just two boxes of drugs, but I sent my husband to rummage around in the dustbin for it. She then phoned up Health Care At Home, she was put on hold and then cut off. I was at the same time ringing up consultants secretary, that went on to voice mail, rang specialist nurse up, that went on to answer machine, husband couldn't find the envelope, thankfully after phoning again she finally got to speak to someone at Health Care At Home and everything was right. So anyone reading this about to start....................make sure you find the letter!!!!!

After all of that I just wanted to get it done, I was aware that she had another appointment at 12 and I was getting worried that she would have to leave soon. I got myself sorted and did it. I didn't feel a thing, it didn't sting at all, the deed was done!

She didn't leave until after 12, in fact I more or less told her it was OK to go, saying that she was going to be late for her next appointment. She asked about if I needed another appointment the following week. I told her I thought I was OK, she did agree, saying that she could see I was confident in injecting myself. I had been told that I would have someone next week, so she advised me to not to decline it. So I will be having someone next week just to watch me do it again. She checked to see if I had a rash before she left but nothing was there.

SOME INFORMATION THAT SHE TOLD ME THAT YOU MAY FIND INTERESTING

I had told her that I have read a few post on the forum from members who have had some sort of reaction immediately when they have had an infusion. She said that when you have an infusion the drug is put into your vein and in matter of seconds it is pumped around all areas of your body and this is why some people have an immediate reaction. When you inject it into your stomach/leg it is absorbed alot slower. She's been doing this particular job for two years, her department covers the East Midlands and she's not heard of anyone having a reaction like this from the drugs that we do by injection. She did say that she does carry with her a pen incase we do go into anaphylactic shock, she's got antihistamine drugs in her car, along with oxygen (glad she didn't walk in holding an oxygen cylinder).

I asked about air being in the syringe. It does say on the instructions booklet to get rid of any visible air bubble in it by pushing the syringe up abit to dispel it. She told me that the latest advice is to leave it, the air actually helps the drug to be absorbed better.

She told me not to inject near my tummy button. I asked why..........the skin around the tummy button is more grisly and it is harder for the needle to go through, I am now wondering if that is why sometimes when I've injected MTX its hurt slightly, I always tend to inject in that area.

She said anything that happens regarding a side effect, no matter how or what it is I must report it to my hospital. Even if I get a small rash from inject I need to tell them. I knew that I will now be put onto an anti tnf register, but she said anything that happens to me will be recorded on it. She even went on to say that if I fell and broke my wrist this would be classed as a major incident. I queried why..........if alot of people on anti tnf reports that they have broken their bones in a fall, then this would point to the fact that taking anti tnf's weakens your bones.

Well. it is now over 24 hours since I injected and I feel totally fine. No rash, nothing at all. I did go shopping yesterday afternoon and have just spent several hours with my daughter at a designer outlet not far from where we live, really enjoyed myself.

I will blog again...................sorry it's been along one................I can talk the hind legs off a donkey...............looks like I can blog the hind legs off one as well.LOL

Paula xx
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#2 Posted : Sunday, November 25, 2012 12:32:33 PM Quote
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hi Paula,

well firstly i would have been beside myself if i had to wait that long for the Nurse and then all the kerfuffle .. and secondly if she had arrived with Oxygen and meds for going into shock then i think by now i would have done a runner!!

if you remember i went over to see my Rheumy Nurse as i was in such a state and she offered to do the first one for me well watch me to do it as we had become more like friends and i felt safe with her so i was in the Hospital on D Day. i do think she checked my temperature and asked if i was feeling well. i then went the next fortnight again to Rheumy Nurse ( she had offered ) and did the second injection in front of her.

intersting reading about the infusions, i have seen people having that done on a couple of visits if i was given a depo .. they are sat in comfy chairs at the Clinic and look relaxed, something i'm not sure i would be able to do without being edgy.

now that's interesting reading about where you inject, i was told to do it around the tummy button, and the DVD said the same or the top of the legs which after reading the forum was a NO NO for me. i alternate each side and do around 3 to 4 inches from the tummy button where there is plenty of flesh in my case .. i can see nearer the tummy button would be more grisly.

i am so glad all went well finally and better still that you are fine, i think you will now feel much more confident after the initial first one which is always the scariest.

as i said in the other post i was thinking of you on Friday as i know just what an ordeal it it.

keep posting on the blog it will be interesting to see how you are and of course helpful to others,

Suzanne x
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#3 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 8:38:39 AM Quote
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Well done Paula - you've been amazingly brave and tough. What rotten luck to have had all that worry with the nurse, I feel so cross on your behalf - you'd done everything you possibly could do and it's hard enough coping with all the nasties that RA throws at us without having to deal with professional incompetance too. Clearly you needed all your patience and perseverance to get it done in the end, so very well done indeed - next time will be a walk in the park! And then just think ahead to getting your RA under control and feeling loads better - hugs from Sylvia xx
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#4 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 8:33:23 PM Quote
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Well done Paula. I think you set a good example to all of us by just biting the bullet and getting on with it without a fuss. We have no choice but to face things with this disease that we find scary and unpleasant (injections, chemotherapy drugs, RA pain etc). Thankyou for sharing your story. I'm sure it will be encouraging for anyone else who gets prescribed this drug. Naomi, XXXXX
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#5 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 10:15:06 PM Quote
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The only way I cope with delays like that is to think that the previous
person may have needed the time more than me. Its different if they start work late
none of us is (are?) perfect. Glad it went okay anyway. Take care Anne
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#6 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 10:23:55 PM Quote
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Well done Paula

I am really pleased that after a traumatic start, all went well. I really hope that the Enbrel works well for you.
It has for me!

Look forward to following your blog.

Best Wishes

Sue
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:31:40 AM Quote
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Well done Paula!

My hospital would have a fit if people rung up with every tiny rash or side effect, lets face it I'd be on the phone all day!BigGrin lol

Never mind, it's fine on you and that's the main thing.

I loved enbrel, within 24 hrs I felt different
It's a powerful drug but this is a powerful disease and for so many it's given them their lives back

Hope you're well todaySmile
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Paula-C
#8 Posted : Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:23:02 PM Quote
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Well bit of an update here.

I woke up on Sunday morning with a bit of an itchy rash about 1 - 2 inches from where I injected and tummy a bit red in certain areas. I googled enbrel side effect and it said that the rash normally appears about a few days after injection..............Thought Oh dear, here we go, but by evening it had gone so if it was because of the drug I can cope with that.

I don't know if I dare say this, I so much don't want to tempt fate here, but I do think it is working already (touch wood). Both specialist nurse and HCAH nurse said that sometimes it does happen.

I had been taking steroids along with 8 paracetamols a day (need them just to top up the steroids). On Saturday I felt better, just little things I noticed, so on Sunday I decided not to take any paracetamols, husband said I should of reduced them slower and not just stopped, but I am impatient sometimes and I just wanted to know. Well, it is Tuesday evening now and I am still pretty much OK. At the moment don't need the extra top up. I am feeling so much better mentally as well. I hate having to take so many tablets and now it is only my stomach protector first thing and then a few little tablets (folic acid and steroids) and then that's it for the rest of the day. I've had to stop taking the torpedoes SLZ twice a day due to being on enbrel, my anti inflammatory tablets, that I've been told not to take when on steroids again were huge torpedoes twice a day. If things stay the same at the end of the week I may start to reduce my steroids, just to see what happens, can always up the dose back if I want to.

I don't really think I was brave at all. I wasn't looking forward to it at all, not having to inject myself, I already inject MTX, but it was a new drug and I have been on drug review sites and read some good positive posts about enbrel, but equally some really frightening ones. I just came to the conclusion that I had to do it so just get on with it.

I didn't really mind her being late, just got a bit anxious about having to wait. I always think that if the specialist nurse's are running late or the consultant, it means that they have given someone else more time, next time it might be me.

I think Jenni if you had to report all of your side effects you would have an astronomical phone bill.

Thanks for all your replies, will keep you updated.

Paula xx

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:00:52 PM Quote
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Sounds as if it could be working Paula BigGrin
The first time I had Enbrel I felt somewhat better the very next day! I was told it often works quickly in severe cases.

Hope things continue to improve for you
Diane x

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:41:22 PM Quote
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Lovely news Paula :)

Seriously, sounds like you've got an excellent rheumatology team.

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:41:23 PM Quote
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Lovely news Paula :)

Seriously, sounds like you've got an excellent rheumatology team.

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:17:50 PM Quote
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sounds very promising news Paula,

keep us posted.

Suzanne x
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#13 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:22:35 AM Quote
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I really hope the improvement that you're feeling continues. This gives us all hope, XXX
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#14 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:46:10 PM Quote
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ThumpUp thank you Paula for sharing your experience with us.
Feel less nervous about the anti tnfs, so wish I can have it NOW!
Happy for you!

Can I ask, does it make you feel pain free? Or have better joint movement?
Jane
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#15 Posted : Sunday, December 02, 2012 7:10:00 PM Quote
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Hi Paula,
I've started to read this a couple of times,with interruptions, but made it at last!!
I'm so thrilled for you and just in time for Christmas!! Smile
Thought I'd share my first experience of HCAH with you.
Like you I had the phone call the evening before and the time was set for the next day.
Took the Enbril out of the fridge 15mins before the app. time. Then I waited and waited and waited!!
After 2-3 hours, by which time it was late afternoon, I rang HCAH to ask if there was a prob.
Sorry they said the nurse who was coming to you is off sick!!! Obviously they had forgotten about me!!
I explained that I had the inj out of the fridge ready, then it was a big performance to get in touch with a pharmacist to ask how long it was ok to still use it. He said it would be alright for up to 72 hours.
Eventually an app. was made for the next day.
Just wondering if you have your mtx inj delivered by them. Twice I have had problems with deliveries, with them saying that they have not received a prescription from my hospital. Both times eventually I have had to ring the hospital myself to get it sorted.
I now get 8 mtx inj delivered each time, much better.
Hope you continue to get better and better. Smile
Zena xx
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 9:03:15 AM Quote
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Seconds Out Round Two.......

First, sorry I've not replied earlier, but I have been so busy shopping with all of this new found freedom thanks to the wonders of Enbrel.

A different nurse came last week, again late but she did ring to tell me, I wasn't so anxious this time. She was what I would say was an old school nurse, no nonsense and straight to the point.

Had the same questions of how I was, do I know how to store it etc etc. Had to laugh at the ....do you know why you are taking it...............felt like saying if you had seen me end of last October you wouldn't ask me such a silly question my dear.

Last week the nurse told me about using different sides of my tum to inject, but I told her I was injecting MTX so she said left side of tum for Enbrel, right side for MTX and try not to inject in same area. Easy I thought..............nurse number two had different ideas.

I was just about to inject when the question arose of where to inject, I told her what the nurse the previous week had said and she told me not to do it like that. She said that I had four areas to inject, each side of tum and top of my legs. I am not happy about injecting into legs, have read reports of it hurting there (injection last week no sting at all). She then gave me the following information about the *sting*.

In her words.............You know how you sometimes hear of people refusing a particular nurse doing an injection because the last time they did it they hurt them, well it's nothing to do with their technique it is sods law really. When you inject you are going in blind, under your skin you have capillaries and if you catch one of them you will bleed a little (that explains why sometimes when I've injected MTX there is a little bit of blood when I take the needle out). You also have nerve endings and if you are unfortunate to catch one of these you will, well you know what I mean, want to climb the wall...........Scared Scared Scared

Did I really want to hear that, when I am just about to stab myself?????Scared ....what do you think?????

Anyway I did it, no pain, no sting at all. She did go on to tell me that when I inject the area around it gets damage and because I have a compromised immune system it takes longer to heal. If I did inject into an area that had not recovered from a previous injection the drug would not be absorbed so well. She did say that even if it did hurt, 10 seconds of pain once a week is a small price to pay to get my life back (see no nonsense nurse). I've thought about it and she is right, so I am going to be brave and start using my legs. I do not want to do anything that may stop or hinder this drug from working as well as it can. I am having my bloods done this Friday morning so I am going to ask if I can inject MTX into my leg, can't see why not, if I can I will use all four injection sites, keep a note of area of leg/tum on my calendar and rotate them around.

Another little bit of information. She told me that Humira blocks the TNF but with Enbrel you still make it but it catches it. Well I had to ask what happens to it when it catches it, she said your body dispels it. That according to her is why one drug may not work when another one does.

I had to ring my specialist nurse last week, had to see dentist with a bit of niggley toothache. Nothing found but he gave me a prescription for antibiotics just incase, so I rang to check to see if they were OK. Told her about me wanting to wean myself off steroids but she told me to wait until I had done four injections, didn't want me to get disappointed if I it went a bit pear shaped. Someone, somewhere mentioned that Enbrel normally takes 4 - 6 weeks to work, so that's in keeping with that.

Zena.....what a palaver.....they should of rung you first thing in the morning and told you the nurse was sick. Up to now I can't really fault them apart from the first visit being a little late. They've been delivering my MTX over a year now and I haven't had any problems at all with the.

Suzanne..............Husband's been busy experimenting on how to keep the drug cold, think we have cracked it but I will do another thread in the drug section about it. Just want to add, incase I forget, I phoned Manchester Airport yesterday, spoke to security and asked about ice packs and was told that I could take through to airside any packs that I needed in order to keep the drugs cold, as long as I had the relevant documentation.

Jane...............I can't begin to tell you what it's like. I was so bad in October, I was told to take steroids and paracetamols which did help alot but I still knew it was there. It's not only the pain going away, it's how I feel mentally, I've always been a happy sort of person, talkative, have a laugh but the smiley me was disappearing.....but it's back with a vengeance now. I was dancing, yes dancing around the kitchen the other day. I have also realised that if everything goes to plan the only tablets that I will have to take is the tiny folic acid ones. My normal weekly drug intake was around, 70 tablets a week.

Paula xx





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BigGrin Paula
Lovely to read your blog, you sound like you've rediscovered freedom/new lease of life! LOL
Its go that you've decreased your tablets from 70 a week.
Does a nurse come round to help you inject with anti tnf in the begining?
Not long till your holiday?LOL so pleased for you, make use of your new zap of life.

Lovely to hear from you.
Xxx
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:09:21 PM Quote
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Jane

I was asked on the first visit if I wanted a second one, I didn't think that I did but I mentioned that when Healthcare at Home rung me they said I would have two. The nurse advised me not decline the offer because my hospital had requested it, I would have to sign something if I did decline it . The second nurse said that they have to come twice.

We are away next week, so looking forward to it. Still waiting for the owner to email me with details of where it is (we already know that) and the code to get the key. I am getting a little worried...............he's got our money. He did email me last Wednesday to say that the cheque had cleared and he will be emailing with details in a few days time. Husband's told me not to panic because for all the man knows we could be in Spain already and if he emails me the code in we could go and spend longer that paid for. If I haven't heard anything by tomorrow evening I will phone him, got to ask anyway if the fridge will be on when we get there, according to the web site there's been no one in it for the last month, might seem a silly question, but we all here know why.

I think I am trying to run before I can walk. Dropped some money on the floor, went to get down bending my knees................oh it hurt!!! Had to resort to my unladylike bum in the air bend.LOL

Hope my fingers are OK, granddaughter has announced that we are going to knit Santa a scarf for Christmas. A shopping trip needed to find some thick needles and chunky red wool.

Paula
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#19 Posted : Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:44:54 PM Quote
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Hi Paula

It is so very, good to hear you sounding so upbeat and feeling much better:-) Sometimes I think we can get used to feeling awful and when we do feel better it's like being let out of jail, so free - or so I imagine not having experienced that!

Long may it continue and get better and better, and have a wonderful time with your family abroad at Christmas:-)!

Take care,
Lizxx
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Hi Paula

With your new found mobility - you will be knitting us all a scarf as well as father christmas!
Enjoy your holiday next week.BigGrin
Jane
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